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Sandra replied to the topic Regular Den competition – where next? in the forum Monthly Competition 7 years ago
Glad you asked that Jane, I was also wondering.
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JaneShuff replied to the topic Regular Den competition – where next? in the forum Monthly Competition 7 years ago
I know this is written down somewhere but what’s the policy on other people commenting on monthly comp entries?
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JaneShuff replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
I’m glad someone else does that too, Sandra!
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Sandra replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
Yes, Squidge – soon as I pressed ‘go’ I thought that myself!
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Squidge replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
I think some ARE young, Sandra, but what I’ve seen of the Masters, it tends towards a fairly older crowd, often folks who’ve been doing other things in life first.
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Daedalus replied to the topic Regular Den competition – where next? in the forum Monthly Competition 7 years ago
Sorry I was MIA recently – thanks to all for contributing and it looks as though you’ve all sorted things. Well done, going to look at new comp stuff now
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Sandra replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
At the risk of sounding ageist, is it not the case that a high(ish) percentage of those doing degrees/Masters are quite young, and are unlikely to yet have the confidence/experience to ignore publishers et al?
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Squidge replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
I think there is a different approach to writing if you do a degree/Masters in it. It’s almost as though, at the point of graduation, most folk have a perceived idea of what writing should be. Qualifying this because I know a creative writing lecturer, and am in a facebook group for one of the CW courses at a local uni. Some of the stuff I see…[Read more]
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Jonathan replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
Thanks Richard. I like that “I wrote it like that because I like it like that. And screw you.” I fully support the misuse of craft in the name of creation. I wrote a piece that was full of (intentional) spelling mistakes, probably because I’d recently read The Gallows Pole and I liked the way it conveys voice and place via imperfection, and was…[Read more]
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RichardB replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
Ah, Jonathan, you and I (and Harry) are thinking along the same lines. And yes, there is more. The full blog is here:
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Jonathan replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
Regarding this point:
this would seem to suggest that all the stuff he mentions in the first para, all the work we do to improve our writing, all the hanging out we do in places like the Den and, yes, Jericho Wtiters too, is a waste of time.
I’ve not seen the writeup so I don’t know if there’s any more? Is there a link to it or is it…[Read more]
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RichardB replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
When I was (a lot) younger I used to snort in contempt when I read in an author’s bio on a book cover, usually American in those days, that they had a degree in creative writing. Hah! I thought, either you got it or you ain’t. You can’t teach it like you can physics or history. It’s not hard and fast stuff like that.
Much later, after discovering…[Read more]
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JaneShuff replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
I always thought that one of the strengths of the SE course was the range of different books people were working on within each group if they were anything like mine – children’s, YA, fantasy,crime noir, women’s fiction, literary fiction and so on. It made it unlikely that you’d start picking up on each other’s styles.
Thank you for the book…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
Sometimes professional book reviewers complain that creative writing graduates have a CW style. I haven’t spotted it myself and perhaps am being dense. If any Denizens can describe it I’d be grateful!
I do notice trends and fashions but they seem to apply to most trad published novels.
Re the workshop style, there must be a danger that if you’re…[Read more]
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Sandra replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
To some extent (not that I’ve done any really full-on writing courses, just SE, some reading and building on experience) I do notice that my very early writing has a freshness of approach that more recent, more self-conscious writing does not.
And I do cheer when I come across writers such as Eimear McBride and Eley Williams (both James Tait…[Read more]
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JaneShuff replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
Sometimes Harry talks a lot of blah. Sometimes he makes a lot of sense. But that’s true of us all, I guess. Agents/publishers do want writers with their own voice but they equally want something that they can sell and that, sadly, does mean it needs to fit into a category of some sort. It’s a difficult balance I think and there’s a lot of luck involved.
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Bella replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
On the subject of having the courage of one’s own convictions I see that Imtiaz Dharker has turned down the role of Poet Laureate so she can concentrate on her own work.
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Bella replied to the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
The glib answer is “that’s just his opinion”. I think UWS probably does exist and I don’t understand why he is slating it. My impression is that an agent faced with a synopsis they like and an MS written in UWS will say “yippee”. I don’t think real originality is as prized as it should be, at least not when it comes to trad publishing. S…[Read more]
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John S Alty posted an update 7 years ago
For anyone wishing to avoid me over on JT, I’m Wildman. (I’m not really wild at all, Wild is my mother’s maiden name).
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RichardB started the topic Terminal discouragement? in the forum Coffee Shop 7 years ago
I came upon this gem of advice from The Fuehrer at JW:
One of the problem with all those MFA courses, those university diplomas in Creative Writing, the workshops, the peer-to-peer critiquing stuff is that writers end up with style all right . . . but they can all end up sounding the same.
Because we at Jericho Writers do a lot of editorial work…[Read more]
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