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Athelstone started the topic Chit Chat in the forum
Coming Home 5 years agoPlease post all chit chat here!
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Athelstone posted an update 5 years ago
Unable to login to the Den? You can see the Den but “activity” won’t load: the Den tells you it’s getting your updates but they never arrive? It may be that you are using the free version of Bitdefender which has a problem following the last upgrade. Try another anti-virus solution either permanently, or until Bitdefender is fixed.
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Athelstone replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 5 years ago
Libby, thanks for a super topic and the fabulous reviews. Seagreen, a well-deserved win.
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Kate started the topic Short story acceptance in the forum Podium 5 years, 1 month ago
I woke up this morning to an acceptance email for a witchy short story from All Worlds Wayfarer. 😃
Thanks to the Songs of Innocence writing challenge which brought this story into being.
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Kate replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
I’ve found beta reading an excellent way to learn. I think it’s easier to see crafting mistakes in others work, and then I try to carry that knowledge across to my own writing. Easier said than done.
I always jot margin notes as I read to record my initial reactions. It’s harder on a reread to see the parts that jolt me, and you only get one…[Read more]
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Athelstone replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
Why do you say you’re a terrible beta reader?
It’s a bit like when I had to read books for exams at school. It was no reflection on the work itself and I’ve read many of the books since with great pleasure. Something about picking up a book for a purpose (a meta-purpose if you like) that isn’t simply pleasure, idle curiosity, whatever, and my…[Read more]
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JaneShuff replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
Wow. So so much interesting and useful stuff, @Libby ! It would make a brilliant checklist for anyone. It will take me a bit of time to assimilate it all. I will say though, with my ‘Being betaread’ hat on, that I wouldn’t expect a beta reader of a whole novel to cover all that for me in one go if anyone is feeling a bit daunted.
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Athelstone replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
Thanks for the topic. May I add that I’m a terrible beta reader. I would like to be more useful and hope to pick up some tips if this discussion develops and hopefully turns into something more.
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JaneShuff started the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
Here’s a separate topic for a discussion about Beta Reading. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion both on your experiences of having your work beta read and on beta reading other people’s book.
I’ll kick it off by repeating that Beta Reading has taught me a lot. I approach it from my experience of the book as a reader. Noting down my…[Read more]
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JaneShuff replied to the topic "I write like" in the forum Coffee Shop 5 years, 1 month ago
James Joyce!
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JaneShuff replied to the topic "I write like" in the forum Coffee Shop 5 years, 1 month ago
I’ll try with a more lyrical section… watch this space.
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JaneShuff replied to the topic "I write like" in the forum Coffee Shop 5 years, 1 month ago
Ha ha! I write like Stephen King! I think Libby is right though and the program looks at content mostly as this was a particularly horror full section!
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Athelstone replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
What I meant was that we can post images now, providing they are online somewhere. That said, like many things on the Den, it’s a bit hit and miss whether it works.

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Athelstone replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
Hi – that was a reply to Sandra, just for avoidance of confusion. Yes, there are several very appealing forums available, including Discourse (and I must say as a longtime repairer, I like your forum and the topic). That said, with Discourse, we would need a VPS or similar non-shared server arrangement*, unlike a traditional web-host, so the…[Read more]
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JaneShuff replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
Random comments:
Yes to Beta Reading, but, time permitting, I’ve always been a keen beta reader. I honestly think the beta reader learns as much from the process as the writer, but I’m not keen on the financial aspect. I know Thea posted a request for beta readers recently. Did anyone respond @thea ?
And on that subject, I’d welcome a discussion…[Read more]-
Hi @janeshuff, the only response to my beta reading request was your kind message explaining that you aren’t able to help at present. After a month or so, I deleted the request.
I agree that it would be beneficial to have a discussion about beta reading. As you said, it’s a good learning process for both reader and writer. I guess the first thing…[Read more]
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Barny replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
OK, but what about the many other advantages of discourse?
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Barny replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 5 years, 1 month ago
@athelstone have you looked at moving to a 21st century forum like discourse? I use it on talk.restarters.net and it’s pretty slick. You can get email notifications and reply by email; can upload pictures, has trust levels and you can restrict areas.
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