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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
Hi @Thea , I’m answering your post in a new box – I’m sure that’s not the technical term – so the conversation doesn’t slip into a Den Bermuda Triangle 🙂
I’m happy with a maximum of 3k words unless it’s for a writer I have a friendship with, in which case a whole MS is absolutely fine and, indeed, a reason to celebrate. With a new or relatively…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
This is in answer to Thea’s post about asking the writer if they have questions. It’s also a general comment.
Knowing whether the writer has specific questions is very helpful. Re genre I’m less confident with those I know little about and would rather leave them to someone else. Women’s commercial fiction or literary fiction, though the latter i…[Read more]
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Hi @libby, to tie in with your comment about reading the first few chapters, I wonder if sampling say the first 5K words of an MS might be helpful in deciding whether to take on a beta read? I think this would be better than reading a synopsis as it would give a sense of the style of the writing while not revealing the book’s ending. As for a 200k…[Read more]
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@Thea – I entirely agree with your suggestion of sampling before committing; it rarely takes long to decide ‘not for me’ with a book bought (or not bought) for pleasure; even more important if one is to give valuable feedback.
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Absolutely, and if it’s an audio book I always check out the narrator’s voice too.
Very impressed by your annual haul of 200 books, wow!
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Libby replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 10 months ago
One week left for the monthly competition!
Here are the requirements:
The other day I discovered that sabulous means sandy or gritty. For this month’s competition please use sand and/or grit as a prompt for a piece of fiction or non-fiction, word range 100 – 500. You can use the word sabulous itself if you wish but you don’t have to.
Be liter…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
School literature lessons often had a lot to answer for @Athelstone . I gave up with them and returned to Eng Lit A level ten years later at evening classes. A vastly improved experience 🙂
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
This discussion is really helpful. I feel a bit fraudulent talking about this stuff as though I spend hours every week beta reading and have heaps of experience. Apart from requests from my self-edit group I generally feedback on short pieces of writing about once a week, if that, on Jericho Writers’ Townhouse. I might also review a synopsis or p…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
I think I’d be a different kind of reader, @RichardB, if I’d been a more instinctive writer. It took me a lot of patience and many disappointing surprises to learn how fiction works, and how my own writing didn’t make the grade. I still have a way to go. Having been quite good at academic writing – though a plodding academic for the short period…[Read more]
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Kate started the topic Short story acceptance in the forum Podium 4 years, 10 months ago
I woke up this morning to an acceptance email for a witchy short story from All Worlds Wayfarer. 😃
Thanks to the Songs of Innocence writing challenge which brought this story into being.
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Kate replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
I’ve found beta reading an excellent way to learn. I think it’s easier to see crafting mistakes in others work, and then I try to carry that knowledge across to my own writing. Easier said than done.
I always jot margin notes as I read to record my initial reactions. It’s harder on a reread to see the parts that jolt me, and you only get one…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 11 months ago
A quick reminder to anyone interested in this month’s competition that we are half way through the month. Here’s a repost of the details:
The other day I discovered that sabulous means sandy or gritty. For this month’s competition please use sand and/or grit as a prompt for a piece of fiction or non-fiction, word range 100 – 500. You can use the…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
Beta reading other people’s writing has taught me all sorts of things. I wouldn’t want to be without it. It’s satisfying too, that link with someone else’s thought processes and their ambitions for their work.
I can come back with my experiences of being beta read but in the meantime, as Jane says: ‘my experience of the book as a reader.’
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Libby replied to the topic "I write like" in the forum Coffee Shop 4 years, 11 months ago
My theory, Richard, is that the program looks at content rather than style. I leave you to decide if that idea fits with your novel! Possibly the program throws POV into the mix.
I suppose Joyce and Brown both spent some time in Paris…
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Libby started the topic "I write like" in the forum Coffee Shop 4 years, 11 months ago
For a bit of fun you can discover who you write like https://iwl.me/
So far I’ve been linked with Jane Austen and Lewis Carroll. Today, for a piece mentioning air-raid sirens, I’m the new Chuck Palahniuk 😉 -
Libby replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
PS That should be: I could definitely, not probably, learn a lot from other beta readers 🙂 At the moment I do beta reading in a particular way and that’s probably not the best way possible or at any rate not for all authors. Expanding my ideas would be a good thing.
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Libby replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
A discussion on beta reading sounds a good idea. I could probably learn a lot from the way other people approach beta reads.
I don’t think I’d want to offer my beta reading services to a wider public, as it were. I’m happy to do it for members here and for people who pop up on the site asking for a reader from whoever is available. I generally…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
@Bella I hope the writing mojo comes back. And the reading and sax playing. These big events like Covid can really knock the oomph out of all sorts of things.
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Libby started the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 11 months ago
The other day I discovered that sabulous means sandy or gritty. For this month’s competition please use sand and/or grit as a prompt for a piece of fiction or non-fiction, word range 100 – 500. You can use the word sabulous itself if you wish but you don’t have to.
Be literal at least some of the time. If a problem is figuratively gritty, let i…[Read more]
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I did grin at this, Libby – I’ve had ‘sabulous’ scribbled on a scrap of paper and Blutacked to the edge of a shelf above my head for at least three years, but never had a chance to use it. (Possibly I got it from @raine) On the same piece of paper is ‘perse’. I’ve just looked that up and reminded myself it’s bluish grey colour, or , more…[Read more]
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It’s a great word!
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I love the perse word, Sandra. Thanks for introducing me to it. I’d like to know more terms for colours but, as you suggest, they can be ambiguous which probably doesn’t encourage common use. Bice – learned from a novel I read a while ago – is brownish grey or dark grey, but can also refer to green or blue shades. So it’s all a bit of a challenge…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
I agree with everything said so far, from the time pressures for people with publications etc in the works via Richard’s points about the site layout right through to feeling that posting stuff may not be worth the effort. And yes, idle chat would be lovely.
I don’t use social media but I’m quite active on Jericho Writers and therefore could…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
I like Kate’s suggestion of a fortnightly writing topic. A clearly marked heading and space might draw in potential new members among people who are Googling for writing advice. But it would need the links problem to be solved.
I agree with Richard about subjects currently being hidden away.
As a member of Kate’s SE 2016 group, this site has…[Read more]
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Kate replied to the topic The Future of the Den in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
The Den’s been a lifeboat for my SE group. And I love the inspiration the winter writing challenge brings. It’s also lovely to be able to see the successes of people I met on the cloud.
But I wonder if, for the main page to be active, we need writers at different stages. I think we’ve all got a fair amount of experience on here, have writing…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Monthly Competition – June 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 5 years ago
Sound Waves (470 words)
An aeroplane churns the sky but no siren has sounded, and behind the blackout fabric at my attic window there are no searchlights. The aircraft must be one of ours.
In my armchair I pick up today’s paper but find it hard to concentrate. We have all turned into experts in aircraft identification and the noise from this o…[Read more]
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Yes, 3k words sounds ideal – I seem to recall that was the word count suggested in the days of the Cloud when work was posted for critique. So true what you said about picking up stuff on paper that might be missed on a screen.
Nowadays, I notice more errors in trad. published books than I used to, but whether that’s because there are more errors…[Read more]