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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
Hi @Thea , I’m answering your post in a new box – I’m sure that’s not the technical term – so the conversation doesn’t slip into a Den Bermuda Triangle 🙂
I’m happy with a maximum of 3k words unless it’s for a writer I have a friendship with, in which case a whole MS is absolutely fine and, indeed, a reason to celebrate. With a new or relatively…[Read more]
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Sandra replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
WHOOPS and apologies – I missed this, through being away and then returning with much to catch up with.
I’ve many, many reasons to be immeasurably grateful for the careful reading, insight and sensible, sensitive suggestions put forward by several beta readers of my novels while being aware that I am likely a poor beta reader, partly because I…[Read more] -
Seagreen replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 10 months ago
EMERGENCE
You stand alone, in the northwest corner of the cellar deck, gloved hands resting on the handrail and face tilted to the sun.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.Above you, clouds rag-roll an azure sky, while beneath you, an aging platform sways to the rhythm of the North Sea.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.Solitude. It catches you unawares,…[Read more]
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Squidge replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 10 months ago
It was the same every year.
She took as many precautions as possible, wrapping everything carefully, keeping the box closed tight until the right moment came, making sure her hands were washed clean when it did.
And then…
Ordering everyone to sit down, sit still. Questioning each participant in turn to make sure she knew their exact r…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
This is in answer to Thea’s post about asking the writer if they have questions. It’s also a general comment.
Knowing whether the writer has specific questions is very helpful. Re genre I’m less confident with those I know little about and would rather leave them to someone else. Women’s commercial fiction or literary fiction, though the latter i…[Read more]
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Hi @libby, to tie in with your comment about reading the first few chapters, I wonder if sampling say the first 5K words of an MS might be helpful in deciding whether to take on a beta read? I think this would be better than reading a synopsis as it would give a sense of the style of the writing while not revealing the book’s ending. As for a 200k…[Read more]
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@Thea – I entirely agree with your suggestion of sampling before committing; it rarely takes long to decide ‘not for me’ with a book bought (or not bought) for pleasure; even more important if one is to give valuable feedback.
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Absolutely, and if it’s an audio book I always check out the narrator’s voice too.
Very impressed by your annual haul of 200 books, wow!
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Libby replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 10 months ago
One week left for the monthly competition!
Here are the requirements:
The other day I discovered that sabulous means sandy or gritty. For this month’s competition please use sand and/or grit as a prompt for a piece of fiction or non-fiction, word range 100 – 500. You can use the word sabulous itself if you wish but you don’t have to.
Be liter…[Read more]
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Bella replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
I also don’t beta read to any sort of checklist. I will always check first with the author what they particularly want feedback on – if they feel something might not be working, but aren’t sure, or whatever. Then I will make sure to address those issues, as well as make other comments as I think necessary.
I have quite a sharp eye from the…[Read more]
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Squidge replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
Wowser…beta reading…
As a beta reader, I do try to find something good to say as well as making suggestions for improvements. I don’t think I go into it with a checklist per se – I use gut feeling a lot as to what feels ‘right’ to me as a reader. But I sometimess feel that I’m not an objective enough beta reader – I don’t always ‘get’ other…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
School literature lessons often had a lot to answer for @Athelstone . I gave up with them and returned to Eng Lit A level ten years later at evening classes. A vastly improved experience 🙂
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 10 months ago
This discussion is really helpful. I feel a bit fraudulent talking about this stuff as though I spend hours every week beta reading and have heaps of experience. Apart from requests from my self-edit group I generally feedback on short pieces of writing about once a week, if that, on Jericho Writers’ Townhouse. I might also review a synopsis or p…[Read more]
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RichardB replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
I’m probably too instinctive for my own good. I’ve been told at various times that I have a natural feel for plot and pace, that my characters speak with their own distinctive voices, even that I’m good at that notoriously difficult thing, sex, but I never step aside and coldly think about any of these things. When I see phrases like…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
I think I’d be a different kind of reader, @RichardB, if I’d been a more instinctive writer. It took me a lot of patience and many disappointing surprises to learn how fiction works, and how my own writing didn’t make the grade. I still have a way to go. Having been quite good at academic writing – though a plodding academic for the short period…[Read more]
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Libby replied to the topic Monthly competition July 2021 in the forum Monthly Competition 4 years, 11 months ago
A quick reminder to anyone interested in this month’s competition that we are half way through the month. Here’s a repost of the details:
The other day I discovered that sabulous means sandy or gritty. For this month’s competition please use sand and/or grit as a prompt for a piece of fiction or non-fiction, word range 100 – 500. You can use the…[Read more]
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RichardB replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
I don’t reckon myself as much of a beta reader either. Partly it may be lack of confidence in my own opinions, but mostly I think it’s because I seem to have trouble thinking analytically about writing, including my own. Years ago when I did the S-E Course, I repeatedly had the experience of Debi, or one of the others, telling me I’d been clever…[Read more]
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Athelstone replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
Why do you say you’re a terrible beta reader?
It’s a bit like when I had to read books for exams at school. It was no reflection on the work itself and I’ve read many of the books since with great pleasure. Something about picking up a book for a purpose (a meta-purpose if you like) that isn’t simply pleasure, idle curiosity, whatever, and my…[Read more]
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JaneShuff replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
Wow. So so much interesting and useful stuff, @Libby ! It would make a brilliant checklist for anyone. It will take me a bit of time to assimilate it all. I will say though, with my ‘Being betaread’ hat on, that I wouldn’t expect a beta reader of a whole novel to cover all that for me in one go if anyone is feeling a bit daunted.
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Libby replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
Beta reading other people’s writing has taught me all sorts of things. I wouldn’t want to be without it. It’s satisfying too, that link with someone else’s thought processes and their ambitions for their work.
I can come back with my experiences of being beta read but in the meantime, as Jane says: ‘my experience of the book as a reader.’
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Athelstone replied to the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
Thanks for the topic. May I add that I’m a terrible beta reader. I would like to be more useful and hope to pick up some tips if this discussion develops and hopefully turns into something more.
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JaneShuff started the topic Beta Reading Discussion in the forum Blogs 4 years, 11 months ago
Here’s a separate topic for a discussion about Beta Reading. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion both on your experiences of having your work beta read and on beta reading other people’s book.
I’ll kick it off by repeating that Beta Reading has taught me a lot. I approach it from my experience of the book as a reader. Noting down my…[Read more]
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RichardB replied to the topic "I write like" in the forum Coffee Shop 4 years, 11 months ago
Yes, in my first passage my MC was being smitten at his first sight of a young lady, and in the second someone was getting blasted with a shotgun. Hmm, content…
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Yes, 3k words sounds ideal – I seem to recall that was the word count suggested in the days of the Cloud when work was posted for critique. So true what you said about picking up stuff on paper that might be missed on a screen.
Nowadays, I notice more errors in trad. published books than I used to, but whether that’s because there are more errors…[Read more]