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  • Debi Alper replied to the topic Getting an Agent. in the forum Blogs 8 years ago

    You called, ma’am? Yes, no ‘c’ required for the reasons already given on this thread. It sends out a signal that you don’t really know how this stuff works, which is less-than professional.

  • Alan Rain replied to the topic A Room with a View in the forum Blogs 8 years ago

    Thanks. I didn’t realise it was a group.

  • Woolleybeans replied to the topic A Room with a View in the forum Blogs 8 years ago

    Go to ‘Groups’

    Go to ‘A Room with a View’

    Go to ‘Forum’

    The different topics are all in the ‘A Room with a View’ group forum. You will find ‘Chit Chat’ and explanations of what the competition is there.

  • Alan Rain replied to the topic A Room with a View in the forum Blogs 8 years ago

    I’m trying to understand this, but it’s like ‘Mornington Crescent’.
    All I understand is that it’s a short story competition.
    Where are the rules? Where is this ‘chit chat’ – I looked in ‘Room with a view’, but got directed somewhere else.

    Maybe it’s not for me because I don’t (as yet) write short stories.

  • Elle replied to the topic A Room with a View in the forum Blogs 8 years ago

    Has the competition moved here from the word cloud. Do I need to sign again? Where is the group? Can you tell I’m confused?

  • Athelstone posted an update 8 years ago

    5 days to enter A Room with a View

    If you don’t get in this challenge, you’ll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.

  • Daedalus replied to the topic My failure in the forum Podium 8 years ago

    A failure of mine is to take each failure to heart while not believing that successes are real or worthy

  • Squidge replied to the topic My failure in the forum Podium 8 years ago

    Oh goodness, yes – we are our own worst critics!!

    On the cloud, we often talked about ‘failure’ and ‘success’ and how differently people perceived the definitions of them. So I completely understand that you view not being placed as failure – it was one of a whole range of responses we used to get.

    Me – I enter very few comps because I hated…[Read more]

  • On the How to get an Agent thread, page 3. In any event, here is the course:
    https://www.faberacademy.co.uk/creative-writing-courses/who-do-you-think-they-are-character-creative-writing-course-gic2.html

    The course is horrendously expensive, and the course info is a little misleading in that the tutoring is only in the morning. Nevertheless, I,…[Read more]

  • Alan Rain replied to the topic My failure in the forum Podium 8 years ago

    @Bellam @PhilippaEast @Squidge Thanks for your kind words, but it’s difficult for a self-driven person not to be harsh with himself.

  • Squidge replied to the topic My failure in the forum Podium 8 years ago

    Definitely not failure if you’ve tried some comps – you had to write the bloomin’ entry first! And from experience, competitions can be a matter of luck as well as great writing – does the judge like your particular genre? Your style? I know from peer-judging comps on the cloud, my own preference for reading material comes through in the kind of…[Read more]

  • A New Dawn

    A blood red sun rose through the smoke from a thousand cooking fires, smoke that hung like mist over distant Alexandra township. A typical African morning on the highveld, but this was not a typical day. Daniel and his mother stepped from the bus onto the dusty road and followed the other passengers. Daniel wished his father could be…[Read more]

  • Jonathan posted an update 8 years ago

    Quick question: has anyone here ever paid for the services of an editor, and if so, how much was it?

    • I had a detailed editorial report a few years back from Writers’ Workshop. 85,000 words cost £457. Today, Jericho writers will charge you about £547 for the same work. (I say ‘about’ because they quote $720 – which is odd for a UK based firm)

      • If you go to their site, there’s a drop-down table of charges for a range or word counts.

        • I did the same as Ath – several times over. Price is often based on the length of your manuscript, and varies from editor to editor/company to company.
          But a good editor is definitely worth paying for – just be absolutely certain that your MS is as polished as you can get it before you send it (use trusted beta readers for eg) to save doing it…[Read more]

          • I paid ~£600 for a 109K ms via the Cloud, but have since learned it is cheaper, by ~30% to approach an editor direct.
            You may find that authors in the genre you write in are willing to edit – there’s certainly loads on the crime circuit.
            I have to say I got far more help from beta readers.

      • Ah yep, thanks. There I am looking at £782. Was yours a copy edit or developmental, or something else?

        • Not sure who you are asking, but mine was development, ‘does this have legs?’ (In hindsight, I think I might’ve been robbed.)

          • I’d also recommend that before submitting to an editor, you have someone proofread it properly – get the punctuation right (if that’s not your strength) and typos sorted.

        • Mine covered the structure, story, development etc. in some depth with recommendations and critique and an assessment of good and bad features and marketability. There was copy-editing but this was not the primary purpose.

    • Is this for an editorial report, or to actually edit the text?

    • I have, Jonathan, a couple of times. Mine was for an editorial report, but included a general text edit. I went directly to a book doctor/editor rather than through Cloud. As I have already seen mentioned, they tend to be more competitively priced and thorough, though it depends what you’re after.

      • When I’ve looked into developmental editing, the cost seems to come to a couple of thousand at least, for a 140,000 word MS. The JW one is about £780 which is a bit more do-able. Who have people used?

        • I always ask for Debi, cos she is editrix supreme. It meant I had to wait sometimes, but it was always worth it. Not sure who else they have on the books for editing…

  • Philippa East replied to the topic My failure in the forum Podium 8 years ago

    @alanr, commiseration on the “failures”, but it’s never a failure to put your work out there and to try. Glad you got some useful feedback at your one–to-one and you’ve found a way to implement it

    @bellam I am excited about the new computer. I do agree that we remain writers even when not physically writing. It’s nice that you can see that your…[Read more]

  • Philippa East replied to the topic Getting an Agent. in the forum Blogs 8 years ago

    Hi @alanr. My hair IS kind of chestnut, but I wouldn’t call it vivid! So don’t think that was me…. Hope we will cross paths another time.

    Yes @daedalus – I suspect there is a US / UK split. The writer I knew who kept putting “c”s on things was from the States.

    I think I recall @Debi weighing in on the discussion previously to say no “c”…[Read more]

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