Florence

  • Den of Writers is a FREE forum. That means that nobody pays for membership and if you join you are absolutely entitled to use and enjoy the place as much as anybody – in fact, you are encouraged to.

    However, there is a cost to running the site and people have asked about contributing to help keep it going.

    This year, we’ve made some major cha…[Read more]

  • Athelstone replied to the topic The Future of the Den (again) in the forum Blogs 4 years ago

    I had a look at our profile options a while back but I couldn’t see how it’s supposed to work. You can add information about yourself, but it doesn’t show up when your profile is viewed (which is a bit pointless). I’ll take another look at it.

  • Well, here we are again.

    Many, if not most of the suggestions from my last blog on the topic, have been implemented. We appear to have settled into a low to medium run of activity. For instance, over the last couple of months we have had around 100 posts of various sorts and 16 members have logged in.

    Do we continue?

    The short answer is ‘yes’,…[Read more]

  • Darn it! Sorry Knicks. It’s a great theme and I meant to have a go, but things just got away from me this month 🙁

  • Athelstone posted an update 4 years, 1 month ago

    Den people, writers, denizens, does anybody know how much it cost in subs to be a scout (in the UK) in the early 1990s?

    • Bella replied 4 years ago

      I know somebody who might know if you are still trying to find an answer. Would you like me to ask?

      • I wouldn’t want you to go to any trouble, but if it’s easy to ask then I’d be grateful. My MC is recounting a time when his foster-mother gave him subs to go to scout meetings, but he stole the money. This would be around 1991. I’d like to be able to say what he used it for.

        • I did ask MrsB, who used to be a Beaver Scout Leader, and she said there was no set amount handed down from above (that is, the Scouting Association) but that each group decided how much to charge, so you’ve got some latitude. Unfortunately, she couldn’t remember how much her own group used to charge thirty years ago.

          • Thanks Richard. Yes, thinking back to my brief spell as a scout, a couple of years in the mid-60s, I vaguely recall differing amounts depending on what activities were planned. I did suspect that it might vary from troup to troup, particularly as some are linked to schools and other organisations.

        • Bella replied 4 years ago

          My friend was a scout leader at the time but not involved with the finances. He reckons he knows someone who will know and is asking. Will pass on any further info I get.

    • Only just seen this. My family was involved in the scouts from the mid 80s to date, and my dad was group scout leader of the 4th Dovercourt during the 90s. I’ll ask him if you like, though I can’t say if he’ll remember or not

      • Thanks, daeds. As with Bella, I wouldn’t want you to put yourself out for this. I can always “write around” the point.

    • Fwiw I just spoke to my mum, who was also a leader, who thinks that by that time subs were collected annually rather than per meeting, and that it would have been about £50. I get the impression that before that it would be a case of a parent or guardian handing over 50p or a quid when they dropped off the child at the beginning of the meeting,…[Read more]

  • Well done all of us, especially Knicky. A great read. And well, done Seagreen. Worth waiting for.

  • Under the Yoke

    The security guard didn’t notice the elderly woman by the checkout. She noticed him. She noticed as his arm shot out, shielding the aisle so that the distinguished visitor could walk by unimpeded. The distinguished visitor, his blond hair carefully disarranged, smirked as his eyes slid, unseeing, across her face. He had come for t…[Read more]

  • Fine writing. Compact and perfect!

  • The trouble is, it’s easy to get used to odd phrasing or vocabulary when I’ve produced it myself.

    There’s definitely something in that. It’s a similar issue to writing something which doesn’t make sense on its own because you know all the back story that your audience is missing. You know what a turn of phrase means and it’s something of a sur…[Read more]

  • Re the bee in your bonnet. My comments about commas were not directed at you. Commas are wonderfully useful and under-used.

  • No, I don’t worry too much about rules. Most of the rules are inventions of  over-educated elites designed to reinforce the idea that how the aristocracy spoke and wrote was the correct way*. That’s how we end up with such nonsense as split-infinitives and pointless debates about whether there should be a comma prior to and in a list. Seeing as…[Read more]

  • Crossed with your reply Kate.

    Yes! It is creepy. I have been discussing it offline with another member of the circle. We thought that ‘against her hair’ was perhaps one of the worst possible adjectival phrases.

  • I did think of a comma and I agree that it helps. What still interests me is whether the construction actually breaches any commonly agreed grammatical rules.

    I take your point about common speech tags being transitive, although several are actually ambitransitive e.g.

    It was necessary to answer. John answered.

    I agree that ‘against’ is a poor…[Read more]

  • There are oddities in the English language that are never expressly taught. I have in mind things such as the order of adjectives, by which I mean that a native speaker will (usually) prefer my big, green, timber, house to the alternative my timber, green, big, house. There are rules, or what purport to be rules, derived from how native speakers…[Read more]

  • Super story @seagreen. Positively inspired and a worthy winner.

    Thanks for the comp @knickylaurelle. I enjoyed it in spite of it bringing back a few awful memories.

  • Athelstone replied to the topic I Remember in the forum Blogs 4 years, 2 months ago

    I went to his funeral a few weeks back. Still a bit raw for everybody but I’m glad I went. He came from a BIG family with ten brothers and two sisters and it was very interesting to meet some of them. Did have one amusing incident. I spoke with the wife of the eldest brother who told me that she always found the brothers, including her husband, ‘a…[Read more]

  • That Conversation

    ‘Frank want’s the self-appraisals by Wednesday, remember.’

    Colin’s words cut through my frantic attempts to pull the KPI figures together. No, I did not remember. I did not remember Wednesday figuring in any of the discussions.

    ‘But nobody has even started because we were told not to. The training doesn’t begin until Thurs…[Read more]

  • OK, tiny announcement. I’ve moved the chat feature onto the sidebar. Actually, since it defaults to being in-view, it actually sits down in the bottom right corner. Don’t panic if it opens up and covers the window you want to look at. The minus (-) button will minimise it back into the corner. The plus (+) will open it again. Opinions? OK, horrible?

  • Oh my, how to decide between four super entries?

    Seagreen: poetic, inspirational.

    Sandra: a slice out of a life that seems to be true.

    Kate: warm to the max.

    Knicks: beautifully wrought and fiercely hopeful.

    I read these last night and thought “Blah! I’ll look again tomorrow when it’ll be easier”. It isn’t. I really could pick any one of…[Read more]

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